[Jacek]

Hello.
I utilize Cartograph application to present maps from OpenAndrMaps.
Could You look at attached picture ?
You can see doted coloured lines ( …….. ) which can be select(
enabled) via „waymarks“ of map style. That is what I want because
these lines ( their colours ) are exactly the same
as on paper maps. On the other hand , You can see other coloured lines
( –.–.— ) parallel to mentioned waymarks which I would like to
remove from map because their colours are useless
and only „obfuscate“ waymarks. Is it possible to „hide“ them ?

Best regards
Jacek

[Tobias]

Just deactivate „hiking routes“ in the map style options, only „waymarks“ activated. I don’t know if there is a menu to edit map style options in cartograph though.

Developer of Elevate mapstyle

[Jacek]

Thaks for response.
Unfortunately, picture I attached previously is without „hiking routes“ 🙁
When „hiking routes“ are enabled, we get 3-th line ( green line on attached picture ).

Regards
Jacek

[Tobias]

Oh, you mean the actual paths? Of course you can’t remove those.

The hiking routes are additional information to the paths and therefore can be switched off (two different systems – by category or by waymark color).

The paths aren’t useless at all – firstly, they show the actual geographic location, as the routes are slightly offset. I don’t know of any real hiking map (not those satellite image tourist ones) which doesn’t show the path next to the route. Secondly they show mountain hiking difficulty by the SAC scale and trail visibility (both if marked), both very useful information especially in alpine areas which Elevate is made for. And essential for those of us who plan their own routes.

Developer of Elevate mapstyle

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[Jacek]

Thanks for response.
Let’s sum up so that I understood…
1) Doted ( …… ) lines are „waymarks“ I can see in reality being on excursion
2) –.—.—.—. lines are „actual paths“ and their colour say how difficult is given „waymark“ accordingly to Swiss marking colour ? If yes, it seems that without additional SAC scale information about difficulty is not accurate because red colour is for T2 and T3 and blue colour is for T4 , T5 and T5. Am I right ?
Couls You give mi example of map ( screenshot ) where all mentioned elements are presented ?

Regards
Jacek

[Tobias]

Just have a look at the map key:
https://www.openandromaps.org/en/legend/elevate-mountain-hike-theme
It says:

Path difficulty uses the SAC hiking scale, however the colors here are according to
those used in the eastern alps.

As the SAC scale is a very well defined hiking scale, it has been adopted by Openstreetmap for marking mountain path difficulty on the whole world, not just in Switzerland, but in other areas of the world other colors for difficulty are better known – as in most of Bavaria and Austria the well known colors which are also used on ski pistes – blue, red and black, plus yellow which is used around here for easiest paths.
So SAC scale and trail visibility are attributes of the paths you’re walking on all the time, while all route attributes like waymarks, colors or names are only sometimes visible in real life on guide posts etc., if the path you’re walking on is a marked hiking route. That’s why the first two attributes are more important and made visible on all paths (if available) in Elevate, while routes are optional displayed offset to the paths.

Developer of Elevate mapstyle

[Jacek]

Tobias schrieb:

So SAC scale and trail visibility are attributes of the paths you’re walking on all the time, while all route attributes like waymarks, colors or names are only sometimes visible in real life on guide posts etc., if the path you’re walking on is a marked hiking route

Forgive I still ask about the same 🙂
Hmm, accordingly to what I see on turist paper maps in Poland and what I see in real life being in our mountains ( I mean Tatry in Poland ) SAC scale is not used at all. All colours on paper maps are in accordance to what I can see in mountains. The same colours I can see in Cartograph application for „waymarks“ not for „hiking routes“.
Sometimes there are paper maps, where difficulty of road is marked by small man keeping alpenstock .
Colour of this man depends on difficulty but I am not able to tell now whether this colour is in accordance to SAC because currently I have not such map.

In atachment, typical tourist map concerning the same area as in my first post.

Regards
Jacek

[Tobias]

Forgive me if I repeat myself:

As the SAC scale is a very well defined hiking scale, it has been adopted by Openstreetmap for marking mountain path difficulty on the whole world, not just in Switzerland,

Please read what I posted above, the Elevate map key (at least the part concerning hiking paths) and there are lots of links in the map key for further details.
No one said that SAC is used by the people marking hiking routes in Poland. It’s used by the people mapping the paths in Poland and all over the world for OSM, see above. So they look at the path with its real life attributes (like steepness, falling risk, use of hands etc.) and give it a SAC scale grade in the Openstreetmap database according to these. It’s of no big use to try to emulate every local hiking standard in world wide maps – that’s why in OSM people voted for using SAC scale as a standard.

If you prefer what’s written on guide posts or tourist maps, go for it. We’re offering additional information here, and don’t imply to replace these.

Developer of Elevate mapstyle

[Jacek]

Tobias schrieb:

If you prefer what’s written on guide posts or tourist maps, go for it. We’re offering additional information here, and don’t imply to replace these.

Thanks. It’s clear. I have never implied to replace it at all. I simply asked for possibility to hide(unfortunately used word remove instead of hide or disable ) it for my personal usage.

Best regards
Jacek

[Tobias]

Jacek schrieb:

I simply asked for possibility to hide(unfortunately used word remove instead of hide or disable ) it for my personal usage.

Next time better don’t call anything you obviously don’t understand „useless“. Try curiosity and interest, that’s nicer 🙂

Developer of Elevate mapstyle

[@afgb1977]

I apologized in advance for meddling in this conversation.
Over time, Elevate and OAM MapsForge have become the fundamental pillar of my Oflline Cartography that I use in OruxMaps for my day to day and my work.
Even though I live and work in a country that is not fully mapped in OSM, I have been able to adapt to what I have. After searching for a long time I found OpenAndroMaps.
In my opinion, it is the best offline mapping you can find today. And the RenderTheme offered on this site (Elevate and Elements) in turn are the best and most complete. I think most of the RenderThemes that you can find are based on Elevate.
As indicated above, curiosity and interest have led me to learn some of the Elevate code.
By looking at a small MapStyle for Locus, I was able to extract the Contour code and isolate it in a different file. So I can combine it with a satellite view.
You guys do a great job, and more than that, you make a great contribution to the rest of the people who don’t have enough knowledge to achieve this kind of thing.
A tip for those who are criticizing Elevate, you can do a lot by observing and comparing the Elevate code, it is a modifiable file, with some patience and trial and error, you can modify certain parameters according to your tastes. (Sizes, fonts, colors …).

Regards

Felipe
A happy OAM and Elevate user.

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[mbe57]

Cool use case, Felipe.

[Peter Conroy]

Change the color of a hiking path.

Please see attached scheenshot from BackCountry Navigator. Is it possible to change the color of the AAWT hiking path from Red to Dark Green, permanently? This hiking path is 640km long.

This will differentiate the hiking path from the BNTNS horse riding path.

[Tobias]

It’s not possible, as they are both mapped in the same category, which is displayed red:

network=nwn (national walking network, so a hiking route on national level)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1644959#map=8/-36.754/147.645 (AAWT)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2347838#map=6/-33.036/150.271 (BNTNSW)

Either show both or none 🙁

Someone thought the horse route is fine to be tagged as hiking (and cycling) route, see the description:
„Primarily a horse route, but very suitable for walking and MTB“

If you think this is wrong mapping, you should discuss this with the person who mapped this. At the moment I get a timeout when retrieving the mapping history of this relation, maybe you have more luck.

Edit: got it, it was this change, already 6 years ago:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/19544648

Developer of Elevate mapstyle

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