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  • #27173
    Tobias
    Tobias
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    On our OS maps we have paths and tracks, and any with an additional green small dash is a legal footpath right of way, and longer green dashes are a bridleway right of way. The OS map legend explicitly states ‚The representation on this map of any other road, track or path is no evidence of the existence of a right of way‘, but many are fine for public use anyway. It is a bit confusing sometimes….

    I’m more interested in the actual legal situation – is there a general rule that a track is only private excpect if something like a sign says otherwise?

    Developer of Elevate mapstyle

    #27184
    ChristianK
    ChristianK
    Keymaster

    Here is the GB Map with cleared route bug = multi route values should work now.

    GreatBritain V4 map at GDrive

    Best regards
    Christian

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    #27193
    JohnPercy
    JohnPercy
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    The legal situation regarding Public Rights of Way (PROW) on private land in the UK as I understand it is as below. PROWs are in addition to the Queen’s Highway, which includes all ways owned by the statutory authorities and usually maintained by them.
    There is not one set of laws for the whole of the UK.

    1. England and Wales
    There are three types of PROW — public footpath (walkers), public bridleway (on horse or on foot, and also on bicycle) , byway (all traffic). A byway may be restricted (no motor vehicles). There is no presumption that a track is a PROW. The only reliable indication of a legal right of way in the mapping is a „designated“ tag, To complicate matters bridleways are legally designated as for access on foot or on horse but legally access on bike is also permitted unless specifically forbidden. I reckon that should mean they are also designated for bike but the OSM Wiki for UK access just has foot=designated, horse=designated, bike=yes.
    The local authority has a supposed responsibility to sign public footpaths, public bridleways and byways as such where they meet the national road network. So if a public footpath ran along a private track, there should be a sign saying public footpath. (There may also legitimately be a sign saying private because it remains private property although you are allowed to be there.) Certainly in the past, local authorities were not uniform in their response to this duty.

    2. Scotland
    There is a presumption of right of access everywhere

    3. Northern Ireland
    NI has very few public rights of way. Most access depends on the goodwill and tolerance of the landowner.There are however three types of PROW — footpath (walkers), bridleway (on foot and on horse) and carriageway (all traffic).

    Finally, just to add that currently the right of way information on OS maps cannot be used for OSM maps although OS make the rest of the data freely available in various forms. OS say that the copyright in the rights of way information is owned by the local councils not them.

    #27211
    Tobias
    Tobias
    Moderator

    Thanks a lot, John, for the detailed reply.
    So I’ll look into the tagging if it’s common that tracks without the special-PROW-treatment have access=private etc.
    How’s your experience, as there haven’t been a lot of complains for the UK to date, is the state of the mapping/access tags alright without all the special ones?

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    #27215
    JohnPercy
    JohnPercy
    Teilnehmer

    I have been impressed by how well the UK is mapped. In general it is as accurate as OS maps and more up to date.
    I suspect the access tagging is insufficiently comprehensive to attempt to render PROWs. Partly this is because most of the relevant data is copyright.
    Generally speaking I have found that mapped paths in England are almost invariably OK to use unless the access has been tagged otherwise, so marking paths as private when they are tagged as private is sufficient.
    Tracks are more difficult and I would tend to assume they are private unless tagged otherwise.
    Byways Open to All Traffic and Restricted Byways generally are tagged with the access details. I suppose it would be possible to do a tag transform on designated:restricted_byway etc if the data merits it.
    (What I would really like to see is Access Land tagged and rendered but I don’t think the data is there yet. This is significant information that the maps are not showing.)

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    #27234
    Tobias
    Tobias
    Moderator

    Thanks again, John. So to make the best of the situation I would propose:

    Transform the designation tags:
    designation=public_footway
    -> bicycle=no
    -> foot=yes
    (only if bicycle resp. foot is not already tagged)

    designation=public_bridleway
    or designation=byway_open_to_all_traffic
    or designation=restricted_byway
    -> bicycle=yes
    -> foot=yes
    (only if bicycle resp. foot is not already tagged)

    So at least this data is in there, and can be used. At least public_footway will be marked in cycling mapstyle with access=no patterns. And I will think/test if there’s any way to mark positive access that makes sense (in addition to the ones that are already in Elevate).

    Developer of Elevate mapstyle

    #27236
    JohnPercy
    JohnPercy
    Teilnehmer

    Good proposal. However, please be aware that it is very nation specific and only really applies to England & Wales (see posts above)

    I think it ought to be:
    designation=public_footpath
    -> bicycle=no
    -> foot=designated
    (only if bicycle resp. foot is not already tagged)

    designation=public_bridleway
    or designation=byway_open_to_all_traffic
    or designation=restricted_byway
    -> bicycle=yes (or, in my opinion bicycle=designated) [NOT Northern Ireland as far as I know]
    -> foot=designated
    (only if bicycle resp. foot is not already tagged)
    with possibly an additional tag for byway_open_to_all_traffic
    -> access=yes

    The Voluntary theme as it stands will pick up these tags and show allowable access for foot, bike or both by the colour and length of dashes on paths and by the same colour dashes but thinner overlaid on the representation of tracks or private roads.

    I suggest that designated is used instead of simply yes as it gives scope at a later stage to indicate known public rights of way.

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    #27254
    Tobias
    Tobias
    Moderator

    Thanks again for correction. As far as I have read designation with those values is only defined for England and Wales, so Northern Ireland etc. is no issue. It’s also mainly used there:
    https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/designation=public_footpath#map
    https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/designation=public_bridleway#map
    https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/designation=restricted_byway#map
    https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/designation=byway_open_to_all_traffic#map

    access=yes isn’t the tag-mapping as it’s not really needed at the moment.

    So I fix and amend this proposal a bit:

    Transform designation tags:
    designation=public_footpath
    -> bicycle=no
    -> foot=designated
    (only if bicycle resp. foot is not already tagged)

    designation=public_bridleway
    or designation=byway_open_to_all_traffic
    or designation=restricted_byway
    -> bicycle=designated
    -> foot=designated
    (only if bicycle resp. foot is not already tagged)

    designation=permissive_footpath
    -> bicycle=no
    -> foot=permissive
    (only if bicycle resp. foot is not already tagged)

    designation=permissive_bridleway
    -> bicycle=permissive
    -> foot=permissive
    (only if bicycle resp. foot is not already tagged)

    I hope now everything is correct. Christian, can you add this to tag-mapping?

    Developer of Elevate mapstyle

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    #27275
    ChristianK
    ChristianK
    Keymaster

    I hope now everything is correct. Christian, can you add this to tag-mapping?

    Hi @tobias,
    Thanks for all your patience an going into the deepest caves of OSM.

    Done:

    [/crayon]

    I hope I hav’ent missed something.
    I will re_render the GB-Map

    Best regards
    Christian

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    #27281
    Tobias
    Tobias
    Moderator

    Thanks Christian, looks good to me, although I don’t get the deepest caves of tag-transform ;-)

    Developer of Elevate mapstyle

    #27293
    ChristianK
    ChristianK
    Keymaster

    :-)

    Map is ready for download:

    GreatBritain V4 map at GDrive

    Best regards
    Christian

    #27383
    Tobias
    Tobias
    Moderator

    Map is ready for download:

    Tested it for cycling, everything works as expected.

    Developer of Elevate mapstyle

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    #27400
    ChristianK
    ChristianK
    Keymaster

    Tested it for cycling, everything works as expected.

    Thanks for feedback, Europe update is running and will be ready for download beginn of next week.

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